of a clean slate and in 2009 until today, the median income of the united states had declined more than in the recession itself. there are all the numbers that were sort of eliteed over in the speeches. you get a president extremely sort of harsh on ryan calling him a liar here and there, which he wasn't incidentally. but it nogers all of this as if it doesn't care if it's coming out of the obama administration. and the candidate. >> bret: another thing the counsecouncil recommended is broadening the tax base to eliminate deduction for tax rate overall something that the simpson-bowles commission recommended as well. you heard the president as charles mention that in his speech. that raised eyebrows as well. he didn't embrace it back when it came out. >> sure. this is something that, you know, romney has talked about as well. he again won't detail necessarily the specifics deductions he wants to but he talked about the deduction for september 11 home, for example. anou know, when you have the president -- this is one area where in the convention speech you saw him playing to the center.